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		<title>By: I am who I am&#8230; are you? at diversity.net.nz</title>
		<link>http://www.diversity.net.nz/anonymity-the-web-and-saas/2008/02/12/comment-page-1/#comment-1259</link>
		<dc:creator>I am who I am&#8230; are you? at diversity.net.nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few days ago The Unreasonablemen posted about their business persona and their social persona with the caveat that &#8220;never the twain [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The UM</title>
		<link>http://www.diversity.net.nz/anonymity-the-web-and-saas/2008/02/12/comment-page-1/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>The UM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Fisi,

All great points.</description>
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<p>All great points.</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.diversity.net.nz/anonymity-the-web-and-saas/2008/02/12/comment-page-1/#comment-1240</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UM said...
&lt;i&gt;Every time you use a Google service (which I do often, by the way) you’re letting them observe just about everything you do online. Think about it.&lt;/i&gt;

First of all, Google is a private company (private property of its shareholders). I always hate, when people demand that property owners (Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc...), must implement their wishes. Internet search is free. Imagine if Google and the likes, start charging for users everytime one does an online search? People will be whinging about this. People want free services, but at the same time they also want  their wishes to be implemented by those free services, such as, don&#039;t do recommendation on me, don&#039;t profile my online behavior, blah, blah, blah... If people don&#039;t like to use those free services, just bugger off and avoid using  them. I defend property owners of how they choose to run their businesses. Consumers don&#039;t have a birthright (even constitutional rights) to other&#039;s properties and things. Consumers only have a choice to products or services that are offered to them by producers and not a right to have them in the first place, if they&#039;re not available. 

UM said...
&lt;i&gt;What happens when the going gets tougher (which it will) and growth becomes harder (which it will) and they start thinking, what alternative revenue streams do we have…. oh datamining.&lt;/i&gt;

Google, Yahoo, Microsoft had been doing data-mining since the late 1990s. Online recommendation, online search, etc, are all data-mining. Online users must be made aware of this, so that they won&#039;t be caught by surprise. It is then their free choice, to use those services or not. Whingers about those free-services shouldn&#039;t cry-baby to the state or the government calling or lobbyig to muzzle those private businesses via legislation about the use of their online data. These services didn&#039;t come with a gun and force online users to use their services, users simply volunteered to use those services.

Finally, I completely agree with UM, about keeping his identity in business or private life different in relation to online activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UM said&#8230;<br />
<i>Every time you use a Google service (which I do often, by the way) you’re letting them observe just about everything you do online. Think about it.</i></p>
<p>First of all, Google is a private company (private property of its shareholders). I always hate, when people demand that property owners (Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc&#8230;), must implement their wishes. Internet search is free. Imagine if Google and the likes, start charging for users everytime one does an online search? People will be whinging about this. People want free services, but at the same time they also want  their wishes to be implemented by those free services, such as, don&#8217;t do recommendation on me, don&#8217;t profile my online behavior, blah, blah, blah&#8230; If people don&#8217;t like to use those free services, just bugger off and avoid using  them. I defend property owners of how they choose to run their businesses. Consumers don&#8217;t have a birthright (even constitutional rights) to other&#8217;s properties and things. Consumers only have a choice to products or services that are offered to them by producers and not a right to have them in the first place, if they&#8217;re not available. </p>
<p>UM said&#8230;<br />
<i>What happens when the going gets tougher (which it will) and growth becomes harder (which it will) and they start thinking, what alternative revenue streams do we have…. oh datamining.</i></p>
<p>Google, Yahoo, Microsoft had been doing data-mining since the late 1990s. Online recommendation, online search, etc, are all data-mining. Online users must be made aware of this, so that they won&#8217;t be caught by surprise. It is then their free choice, to use those services or not. Whingers about those free-services shouldn&#8217;t cry-baby to the state or the government calling or lobbyig to muzzle those private businesses via legislation about the use of their online data. These services didn&#8217;t come with a gun and force online users to use their services, users simply volunteered to use those services.</p>
<p>Finally, I completely agree with UM, about keeping his identity in business or private life different in relation to online activities.</p>
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		<title>By: The UM</title>
		<link>http://www.diversity.net.nz/anonymity-the-web-and-saas/2008/02/12/comment-page-1/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>The UM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again from Steve Borsch http://www.iconnectdots.com/ctd/2007/10/google-doing-ev.html

&quot;If I could come in to your home and invisibly observe you reading, watching TV, eating and parenting your children, it&#039;s likely I could recommend content, products and services that would make your life better. But you really don&#039;t want me lurking in your home observing you invisibly, do you? Every time you use a Google service (which I do often, by the way) you&#039;re letting them observe just about everything you do online. Think about it.&quot; 


My point is that they talk about &quot;Do no evil&quot;. Yet to some they already have (http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/27/google-voluntarily-provides-details-of-anonymous-blogger-in-israel/)
So really isn&#039;t the mantra &quot;do no evil except where told to by the government&quot; . This when the company is performing well and a growth stock. What happens when the going gets tougher (which it will) and growth becomes harder (which it will) and they start thinking, what alternative revenue streams do we have.... oh datamining etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again from Steve Borsch <a href="http://www.iconnectdots.com/ctd/2007/10/google-doing-ev.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.iconnectdots.com/ctd/2007/10/google-doing-ev.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;If I could come in to your home and invisibly observe you reading, watching TV, eating and parenting your children, it&#8217;s likely I could recommend content, products and services that would make your life better. But you really don&#8217;t want me lurking in your home observing you invisibly, do you? Every time you use a Google service (which I do often, by the way) you&#8217;re letting them observe just about everything you do online. Think about it.&#8221; </p>
<p>My point is that they talk about &#8220;Do no evil&#8221;. Yet to some they already have (<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/27/google-voluntarily-provides-details-of-anonymous-blogger-in-israel/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/27/google-voluntarily-provides-details-of-anonymous-blogger-in-israel/</a>)<br />
So really isn&#8217;t the mantra &#8220;do no evil except where told to by the government&#8221; . This when the company is performing well and a growth stock. What happens when the going gets tougher (which it will) and growth becomes harder (which it will) and they start thinking, what alternative revenue streams do we have&#8230;. oh datamining etc</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://www.diversity.net.nz/anonymity-the-web-and-saas/2008/02/12/comment-page-1/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Cano speramus?

(In dog we trust?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Cano speramus?</p>
<p>(In dog we trust?)</p>
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		<title>By: The UM</title>
		<link>http://www.diversity.net.nz/anonymity-the-web-and-saas/2008/02/12/comment-page-1/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>The UM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quis custodiet ipsos custodes  

(Who guards the guards?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quis custodiet ipsos custodes  </p>
<p>(Who guards the guards?)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://www.diversity.net.nz/anonymity-the-web-and-saas/2008/02/12/comment-page-1/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post UM. As you say we agree to disagree. 

All this 2.0 stuff is primarily, in my opinion, about getting more relevant data to the user. Be it financial, commercial, personal or entertainment. If you accept this raison d&#039;etre, then I fail to see how you could not invite the same degree of relevancy and context into all parts of your life. 

Further to this the demarcation between home and work is rapidly shrinking - it doesn&#039;t take the CIA any longer to work out someone&#039;s personal and business personae and mash the two together. I like the fact that I have both business and social connections on Facebook - it seems so much less artificial.

So I say bring it o - let the cloud encompass us all and let all that we do be relevant and n context to ourselves and our place in the world.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post UM. As you say we agree to disagree. </p>
<p>All this 2.0 stuff is primarily, in my opinion, about getting more relevant data to the user. Be it financial, commercial, personal or entertainment. If you accept this raison d&#8217;etre, then I fail to see how you could not invite the same degree of relevancy and context into all parts of your life. </p>
<p>Further to this the demarcation between home and work is rapidly shrinking &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t take the CIA any longer to work out someone&#8217;s personal and business personae and mash the two together. I like the fact that I have both business and social connections on Facebook &#8211; it seems so much less artificial.</p>
<p>So I say bring it o &#8211; let the cloud encompass us all and let all that we do be relevant and n context to ourselves and our place in the world&#8230;..</p>
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