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		<title>By: robin</title>
		<link>http://www.diversity.net.nz/why-not-e-dollars/2008/10/21/comment-page-1/#comment-11951</link>
		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and check out hawala as well - that&#039;s more of an informal money transfer system rather than a currency, but interesting nonetheless.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/nft/op/222/index.htm

p.s. on Scottish banks: this means there are physical notes with &quot;Royal Bank of Scotland&quot;, &quot;Clydesdale Bank&quot; and &quot;Bank of Scotland&quot; printed on them, and they are different designs too.Imagine a NZ$20 kiwibank note and then an NZ$20 BNZ note, etc. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and check out hawala as well &#8211; that&#8217;s more of an informal money transfer system rather than a currency, but interesting nonetheless.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/nft/op/222/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/nft/op/222/index.htm</a></p>
<p>p.s. on Scottish banks: this means there are physical notes with &#8220;Royal Bank of Scotland&#8221;, &#8220;Clydesdale Bank&#8221; and &#8220;Bank of Scotland&#8221; printed on them, and they are different designs too.Imagine a NZ$20 kiwibank note and then an NZ$20 BNZ note, etc. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
		<link>http://www.diversity.net.nz/why-not-e-dollars/2008/10/21/comment-page-1/#comment-11949</link>
		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scottish banks still to this day issue their own notes - a remnant of the days when they indeed issued their own currency.

The technology is all there and it works fine, but this won&#039;t happen, simply because those who exercise control over the currency exercise control over the economy, so the government won&#039;t let you do this as you will take their power. Try it and see.

Oh, and if you&#039;re interested, google Robert Hettinga, ibuc and related links. A bit of crypto won&#039;t go amiss. See also the stories about digiash and e-gold. Lots of patents there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scottish banks still to this day issue their own notes &#8211; a remnant of the days when they indeed issued their own currency.</p>
<p>The technology is all there and it works fine, but this won&#8217;t happen, simply because those who exercise control over the currency exercise control over the economy, so the government won&#8217;t let you do this as you will take their power. Try it and see.</p>
<p>Oh, and if you&#8217;re interested, google Robert Hettinga, ibuc and related links. A bit of crypto won&#8217;t go amiss. See also the stories about digiash and e-gold. Lots of patents there.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://www.diversity.net.nz/why-not-e-dollars/2008/10/21/comment-page-1/#comment-11939</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er guys........sorry to disappoint you but the $ we use now has no intrinsic value either. 

The US national debt is at $10trln.........do you trust them to manage your currency? 

Cyber $, if managed properly, will be part of the new process of decentralised democratisation (if as John notes the internet manages to stay up during a system reorganisation).

In Kenya they have a system where money is transferred and stored in cyber land

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2007/mar/20/kenya.mobilephones

Community credit is alive and well in NZ with Wairarapa $ up and running also along with Golden Bay Hands.

See http://www.le.org.nz/tiki-index.php

and

http://www.transitiontowns.org.nz/

for information on local currency systems and ideas for NZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er guys&#8230;&#8230;..sorry to disappoint you but the $ we use now has no intrinsic value either. </p>
<p>The US national debt is at $10trln&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;do you trust them to manage your currency? </p>
<p>Cyber $, if managed properly, will be part of the new process of decentralised democratisation (if as John notes the internet manages to stay up during a system reorganisation).</p>
<p>In Kenya they have a system where money is transferred and stored in cyber land</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2007/mar/20/kenya.mobilephones" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2007/mar/20/kenya.mobilephones</a></p>
<p>Community credit is alive and well in NZ with Wairarapa $ up and running also along with Golden Bay Hands.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.le.org.nz/tiki-index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.le.org.nz/tiki-index.php</a></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href="http://www.transitiontowns.org.nz/" rel="nofollow">http://www.transitiontowns.org.nz/</a></p>
<p>for information on local currency systems and ideas for NZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lattimore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lattimore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No point creating a virtual dollar as it has no intrinsic value. 

The concept of online barter on the other hand has its merits as long as controls are in place to make it fair and equitable. What happens if the 20 chickens I trade my trailerload of firewood for don&#039;t actually lay eggs? Would the site guarantee I can get the firewood back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No point creating a virtual dollar as it has no intrinsic value. </p>
<p>The concept of online barter on the other hand has its merits as long as controls are in place to make it fair and equitable. What happens if the 20 chickens I trade my trailerload of firewood for don&#8217;t actually lay eggs? Would the site guarantee I can get the firewood back?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more. Local currencies flourished during the first world Depression and they are a great way to maintain liquidity and currency circulation during times of stagnation elsewhere. 

This is the kind of project the web was born for - enabling virtual arbitrage with minimal overhead or drag. Like any technological fix, it is based on the premise that we will maintain our access to affordable, ubiquitous internet access in the face of social and economic upheaval, but I&#039;m hopeful.

The Oil Drum has a great summary article here http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/4633</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Local currencies flourished during the first world Depression and they are a great way to maintain liquidity and currency circulation during times of stagnation elsewhere. </p>
<p>This is the kind of project the web was born for &#8211; enabling virtual arbitrage with minimal overhead or drag. Like any technological fix, it is based on the premise that we will maintain our access to affordable, ubiquitous internet access in the face of social and economic upheaval, but I&#8217;m hopeful.</p>
<p>The Oil Drum has a great summary article here <a href="http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/4633" rel="nofollow">http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/4633</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gwilym</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwilym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It always fails for the same reason. With out something tangible backing a currency you have no way of valuing or securing it. The Aardvark guy is wrong in that balances in Paypal are not in Paypal currency but freely tradeable into what ever currency they are held.

And if somebody was to launch a new &#039;esperanto&#039; currency who would you trust to administer it? Lehmans? Sure as hell not a private company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always fails for the same reason. With out something tangible backing a currency you have no way of valuing or securing it. The Aardvark guy is wrong in that balances in Paypal are not in Paypal currency but freely tradeable into what ever currency they are held.</p>
<p>And if somebody was to launch a new &#8216;esperanto&#8217; currency who would you trust to administer it? Lehmans? Sure as hell not a private company.</p>
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